No smoking is a joy. The place is beautiful, the machines are still fresh looking. That said hard players club. After 1300 of coin in, I had ZERO to sho for it. New player offer for a room and buffet was for 10K of coin in. rldjnyc

Went for Race for Rewards, plan was to eat my points and I had not looked at the vp report for the casino. Buffet was the worst of any casino, makes Circus Circus look like Le Cirque. Only bright spot was cherrystoke clams and mussels both of which I am not crazy about. Parking was free which is nice change after AC. Sports betting had their own floor. I saw 8-5 JoB on the $5 machines, sorry that is all I play but I think it is safe that the other games have bad payouts, too. The local promotions seemed generous but it is not like I want food comps there. rldjnyc

Although the Horsehoe Cleveland claims to be gambler friendly it is not. There are no full pay VP machines that I could find. The Ohio Gaming Commission recently reported that slots and video poker (the report grouped them together) returned only 88%. There are video poker games on the first floor with very poor pay tables (JoB 8/5). On the second floor there were mixed machines for example JoB 8/5 with 8/6. There were some progressives in an area nearby to these that were 7/5. Yikes! I saw Deuces Wild 20/12/10/4/4 - 97.58%; Bonus Poker Deluxe 8/5 - 97.40%. Also, the slots and video poker areas seemed very crowded or cramped together with machines. I wish they would improve the paytables especially with their high take. But it seems unlikely. chil44124

If I were to own a casino, this would be the one. On the other side of the coin as a player however, much is left to be desired. First off, this is very much a local's casino with familiar faces showing up like clockworks. They all dress up in their Sugar House t-shirts, sweatshirts, and jackets - like workers in uniforms ready for duty. Sugar House baits them with frequent but cheesy free gifts such as soap dispenser. Parking is free and never an issue. The so-called 'Sugar Express' shuttle is really a free tour bus of the City that takes many ridiculous circles before finally reaching the Casino; all the while you are sitting on hard wood park bench dazed and confused. You really should take a quick taxi ride instead. The machines are tightly packed and on a busy night, the smoke permeates through out the floor. The sandwiches are fine for a quick snack, I recommend the pork with a little oil. You should venture back to Center City for a proper meal. The bathrooms are clean always, much to their credit. The Professionals are friendly enough but you should sit near the center of the floor if you want to be served a cocktail. Note that the cocktail cup is tiny so you are better off asking for a bottle of beer, I recommend the Heineken and Corona. Lastly as I stated, this is very much a casino for the locals and entertainments is a reflection of that business model so you should come see Jerry Blavat and dance the night away! As reported on a weekly basis on http://gamingcontrolboard.pa.gov/ Sugar House is usually the tightest slot machines payout in the State. And along with Parx, two casino with the highest revenue on a per machine basis, as reported in "PENNSYLVANIA GAMING CONTROL BOARD ANNUAL REPORT 2010-2011 under 'Taxable Slot Wins Per Day'. Although the VP numbers are not broken down separately, there are only three IGT Game King machines offering 8-6 JOB on 25¢ coin, most others are either short-pay 8-5 or even less. There are a few 5¢ VP machines but they are all short-pay. I will leave you with these final thoughts. Parx is a much nicer casino North just outside of Philly, it is basically a smaller version of Borgata. However Borgata offers many full-pay JOB on 25¢ coin, all the IGT Game Kings at Parx are short-pay for 25¢ coin JOB. But for those of you who enjoys thoroughbred racing, the admission is free. Harrah's Philadelphia Casino is South at Chester in the middle of industrial waste land but it has all the charm of AC Bally, if you like good-but-cheap buffet and free meals for premium members at the Diamond Club. There are many 8-5 JOB on IGT Game King machines in both smoking and non-smoking areas. This racino is also admission free. Plus free soda for everyone. All three casinos provides ample free parking. sugardaddy1

90 percent of the video poker machines are class 2 machines. All the good payback machine are second class. The machines look like regular igt. A year and a half study talking to slot techs, supervisors at both of there casinos. Class 3 machines use a Rng random number generator for out come. You can use the pay table to figure out your return. Class 2 software uses a bingo outcomes and relates to the cards on screen. They can set the holdback percentage where they want to and like a regular slot machine. If you play a lot of video poker your coins in and out will show you over time your return. There standish casino is near 100% class 2 video poker. Not recommened for pro and semi pro players. The reason they switched to these class 2 machines. 1) They hate people who can win. Like card counters 2) They don't pay taxes on machines. 3) They dont halfto show revenues off machines. 4) the software so good you dont know your being robbed. Scrapile